Sunday, May 14, 2006

“Hello, I’m Tony Blair, the prime minister of the United Kingdom, and I think cutting up animals is a whole lot of fun”

So UK PM Tony Blair - y'know, the guy who said he was gonna get tough on blood sports such as foxhunting if he got elected, way back in the 1990s - has now decided to give his prime ministerial backing to animal testing. What a cunt.

Of course "there are two sides to every story", but the truth is that just because a drug appears to work on animals, there is no guarantee that it'll work on humans. Indeed, a guy from the British Union for the Abolition of Vivisection on the news this morning said that 90 per cent of drugs tested successfully on animals turn out NOT to work on humans.

So what the fuck is the point? There must be another way. Y'know, things like stem-cell research. Oh yeah, that's unethical. Not like breeding animals with the sole intention of injecting them full of shit and cutting them up into tiny pieces before throwing them away like so much unwanted trash time after time after time.

Oh yeah, and that "two sides to every story" thing? It doesn't apply to Blair. He's a cunt.

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Blogger the cappuccino kid said...

not sure bout this one. on one hand i hate the thought of any innocent animal suffering, even if it aids progress in medicine, but cannot justify animal rights activists digging up someones granny. that is sooo wrong.
as for blair, i think he just says what he thinks people will want to hear, especially as his back is so against the wall at the moment!

14 May, 2006 14:04  
Blogger the cappuccino kid said...

oh and yes, he is a cunt!

14 May, 2006 17:15  
Blogger * (asterisk) said...

Of course digging up dead grannies is not nice. I can't argue with that, FF, but I think the dead granny thing is a red herring here.

It gave Bliar the perfect moment to strike; that's all. The cunt would've gone ahead and dunnit anyways.

14 May, 2006 17:34  
Blogger Ranting Dullard said...

I bought some shampoo that said, 'not tested on animals'. I immediatley went home and rubbed into my cats eye. It has since gone blind.

14 May, 2006 17:38  
Blogger the cappuccino kid said...

god r.d. so good to have you back on form! ya sick puppy.

*,didn't they dig her up more than 12 months since? so (B)liar isn't being very topical. hold on though, sorry they have just been sentenced, so why didn't he say this when it first happened? of course, he didn't need to up his standing with the british public!
always good for a soundbite when he is in bother! cunt!

14 May, 2006 19:36  
Blogger Candy Minx said...

Who dug up a granma?

Um, I don't think it's necessary to test on animals anymore. We got all kinds of stuff now, and people should avoid medicine as much as possible no?

I eat animals, but I think we shouldn't torture them. We know how to make make-up and drugs without anymore animal testing.

We can get by and clear up some animal human karma. Poor little animals. It breaks my heart.

14 May, 2006 20:07  
Blogger tideliar said...

Riiiight....I think I'm actually gonna have to post on this meself at some point. But you'll have to wait till Tuesday cos I'm supposed to be doing data analysis right now, not pootling around in blogland (guess which is more fun?!).

Briefly, I think this is a topic I'm well qualified to rant and lie about.

I have experimented on animals. I will do it again.

I'm very very pro-animal welfare. I'm explosively anti-animal rights. They don't have rights. They're animals. Animal testing, whether that be for drug research, or as I did (and will do again) for basic science research is absolutely vital for scientific progress. Stem cell research is fine. But where do you think we get our knowledge of how to manipulate human stem cells? Yup. Mice.

My current research focuses on stroke-damamge prevention. Right now I work in isolated (human) cell lines. but in the future I will have to experiement on animals (rats and mice), in order to take my work from hypothetical cell line to potential "organotypic culture". What works in a petri dish may not work on a real brain cell. From there, if it works, it will go into whole animal testing. That sucks and I don't do it (I'm a basic cell scientist, not a clinical researcher). It will be horrible for the animals involved, but at every step, constantly, every care will be taken to minimize their suffering. I know you probably don't believe me, but we do really care about the animals. No one enjoys doing this. We do it because we have to.

It is really really hard to get a licence or funding to do animal work. there are more, or at least as many, safeguards out there as if you wanted to work with humans.

The point being, we need to do the animal tests to see if the basic theory holds up. If it does, it moves clinical and we begin testing on humans and hopefully, down the line, we can minimise the damage suffered when people have strokes or other cerebral insults.

Sorry. This is longer than I meant it to be. Sorry fr cluttering up your comments box *. I'll try and do a post from the other side of the fence in the next few days. I think it's an important argument that needs to be done publicly.

Sorry...I'm off again aren't I!

14 May, 2006 23:48  
Blogger FOUR DINNERS said...

Test on animals 'cause they can't sue when it all goes wrong n their insides blow up or whatever....

All politicians are cunts. Bliar's just the biggest at the moment.

14 May, 2006 23:50  
Blogger * (asterisk) said...

Tidy. Thanks for your comment. I don't mind that it was long. There are bits in there that I'm glad to see, such as "we do really care about the animals". Of course, it is almost impossible for someone who is not working in medical research to understand how this is possible. Especially so for animal lovers. And the sort of research you're talking about seems in some way to be slightly different to what we hear a lot about in the news over here: punching beagles in the face was one such piece of "medical research" being discussed on the news over the weekend. That seems difficult to defend, surely?

But you raise an important point, too, about stem-cell knowledge coming from experiments on mice. Yes, but that has been done now and is in the past. Does that not mean we can move on? It's abit like Anita Roddick saying that Body Shop products are not tested on animals when the truth was that they used elements that had been tested on animals but not in the five years preceding her product's launch. Fine line, maybe, but I think there is a line.

And the fact does remain that 92% of products that seem to work when tested on animals DO NOT WORK on the end user, the human.

You are, of course, infinitely more knowledgeable than me on this subject, so thanks for offering up your views. In closing, though, I'd like to say this. Animals not having rights seems like an odd comment. If that were truly the case, people wouldn't get jailed for mistreatment of animals. And that's just from a legal standpoint. Morally, of course they have rights. And if the sorts of things that go on in animal testing labs were to go on in some kid's garage, there would be some serious questions raised about said kid's mental state and, moreover, his future in society.

All that said, I look forward to reading your post on the subject when you are able to do one.


15 May, 2006 11:21  
Blogger * (asterisk) said...

RD, hello!

FF: Of course no one cared about granny when the pressure wasn't on...

CM: I'm with you all the way, girl.

4D: All politicians are cunts; no argument from me.

15 May, 2006 11:24  
Blogger a.c.t said...

I just don't think animals should be tested at all - they get all giggly and give the wrong answers.

15 May, 2006 23:10  
Blogger wrinkled weasel said...

The "Blair signs a petition" story can mean only one thing; he's on the run, he has gone mad and needs a fatuous gesture to divert attention away from the effing mess he has made of running the country.

Sadly, he is now taking advice from Peter Mandleson again, you may have heard of him - he is the sycophantic wanker who got fired from Blairyland, twice, and was rewarded with a well paid job in Europe.

The only conclusion I can draw is that Tone is now officially radio rental and Mandy is there to ensure a stable and orderly transition.

16 May, 2006 00:53  
Blogger * (asterisk) said...

Good gag, ACT. It was on a birthday card I sent my Nan back in March. Attributed to Stephen Fry, but I dare say it goes back further than that... ; )

Oh, I remember Mandy, WW. He came and he gave without taking, didn't he? Or am I thinking of someone else.

16 May, 2006 12:55  
Blogger a.c.t said...

Oh Damn!! I was hoping you hadn't heard it before.

16 May, 2006 17:54  

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